TheTrollgubbe (January 1, 1970 at 12:59 am)

It's also strange that so many of the legal immigrants don't really want to be here .. Myself included

Mortison99799 (January 1, 1970 at 12:59 am)

New construction causes habitat destruction and the demand for housing increases with populattion. That might not be really strong evidence, but nobody needs a gun pointed at them. They just need to obey the law. You sound like a libertarian or something.

cockTHEgun (January 1, 1970 at 12:59 am)

How is the environment affected by increased population in the U.S.? Cite any evidence. Is the evidence strong enough that guns need to be pointed at humans who are only trying to do business with other humans? The biggest polluter in the world is the government. Do you want the biggest polluter to be in charge of the environment? Seriously, show the studies that give the optimum population of our landmass. There are countries that are doing fine with twice the population density of the U.S.

Mortison99799 (January 1, 1970 at 12:59 am)

Well, I also disagree on environmental grounds because flooding the country with a million people annually is not environmentally sound. And environmental grounds are some some pretty important grounds.

cockTHEgun (January 1, 1970 at 12:59 am)

Mortison: I disagree on principle, on moral, and on utilitarian grounds. And that's a lot of grounds, my friend. Morally, no one can force a person to not freely associate with another person.-It makes perfect sense from an "economic point of view". It is a responsibility of the employer to hire the person who will work the hardest for the least amount of money. It makes no sense whatsoever to only hire people who have been documented by the federal government. Competition = good.

Mortison99799 (January 1, 1970 at 12:59 am)

Right, jobs can't be stolen the same way that material possessions can be stolen, because people don't "own" jobs, they just "have" jobs. But still, the employer should not have the freedom the give the job to anyone anywhere in the world just because that person is willing to work for less. It doesn't really make sense from an economic point of view either. It makes more sense to just focus on the domestic labor market, not cheaper labor from the global labor market.

cockTHEgun (January 1, 1970 at 12:59 am)

Mortison: My nation's forefathers abandoned "their own countries". They did it for freedom and, yes, "monetary gain". And it sounds like you were educated in a socialistic government school system. Nobody can "steal" a job. One's job does not belong to one. The job belongs to the employer and he can give it to anyone he so chooses. Or do you think employers should be the slaves of the precious mommy gov't?

Mortison99799 (January 1, 1970 at 12:59 am)

None of the immigrants who come here are heroes. They have abandoned their own countries and their own people, just for monetary gain. The H1-B immigrants are stealing jobs from the native born, they should be greatly reduced in number. They don't really help our economy, they just transfer wealth from the middle class to the wealthy.

Mortison99799 (January 1, 1970 at 12:59 am)

The way to stop illegal immigration is to fine the employers who give them jobs and the landlords who rent to the. When these people see that they are losing money because of the fines, they'll stop doing it. Then the illegals will stop coming because they will know that it's hard to get a job and a place to stay here. The ones with skills should stay in there home country and help the people in his home country.

pirateonda (January 1, 1970 at 12:59 am)

What you are talking about is legal immigration. It already exists.